Showing posts with label Ellyn Smith. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Ellyn Smith. Show all posts

Monday, November 10, 2008

One More Story About Alafia Elementary

Alafia principal keeps her job for now

Thanks for the tip from anon. Anon says I hit the nail on the head. We will have to wait a while to see if I my prediction on how the parents will feel later.

Low on time resources, so there may be more to this story I haven't seen yet.

Find link below to what the nail was that I hit on the head:

"Here is my prediction. They will develop a team of district people and targeted parents. They will hold a set number of meetings. The District will be in control of all paperwork regarding the recording of all of the meetings. The first meeting will be to bring out all of the problems. Emotions will be kept in check as this is 'just the information gathering phase, and emotions get in the way of positive outcomes'. The District will take this information and synthesis it into 4 areas. The District will identify the problem areas 'based on information gathered', and bring it back to the group. The group will then be subdivided so that the parents are divided. These sub-groups will hash out the emotional aspects of 'the issues'. The next meeting will be where the District 'brings to the whole group' a breakdown of how the issues were decided upon. There will be a 'discussion' and a 'consensus' will be 'agreed upon' by all. The final outcome will be that the problem was taken care of and 'everyone' is in agreement. It won't be until later on that the parents figure out they were snookered, but the official paperwork and 'official decision that the parents agreed to' will be on record."


Public Education - Politics, Business and Education: Response To A Comment About An "Assessment Team" Going To Alafia Elementary:


By the way, this may be the last of any media reports of anything negative about HCPS:
Public Education - Politics, Business and Education: Media Blitz - Truth or Propaganda

Friday, November 7, 2008

Alafia Elementary Staff To Get Report On Principal -Part Two

Alafia Elementary Staff To Get Report On Principal

Read my previous post for part one.


This time I am on a different kick.

Read the public comments.

I have selected a few to bolster my own personal opinion about "the system". I am not about any individual - that was years ago. Now, all I can do is make broad brush attacks against the system and hope enough people get the idea that these are not isolated incidents. (Must be a long-time reader of my blogs to get that point.)

Posted by ( Momto3 ) on 11/07/2008 at 08:54 am.

I don't know about you, but my parents taught me that if I "don't know diddly" about something I should keep quiet.Contrary to your belief, this is a group of involved, motivated, reasonable, and courageous parents who are concerned about the fast-declining culture of a school was once a shining star of the community. They have a right to advocate for their children's safety and education.The parents of Alafia have been patiently waiting for a resolution to this situation for some time. I am sure that everyone in the community is well aware of the kind of people that would be posting vitriolic comments like these in the middle of the night.ANYONE could have maintained an A rating at a "slide and glide" school like Alafia for a few years. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is any way to prevent the children that are just now entering into the system from suffering the consequences of an unreasonable, unfettered administration.

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Posted by ( ufbull ) on 11/07/2008 at 12:18 pm.

Both my girls attend this school ... and I have spoken with the principle before . To me , since she doesn't have the backing of her teachers to be a leader ... then she should be replaced .

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Posted by ( DennyCrane ) on 11/07/2008 at 01:23 pm.

DoodleBugg I guess you didn't read the original article. MOST of the complaints came from teachers, not from parents. It appears this principal is not a good leader when the teachers cause an investigation to happen.I am....Denny Crane

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Posted by ( Augmented7th ) on 11/07/2008 at 02:06 pm.

Now sent the team to Monroe Middle School, I think the Principal has run off all but one teacher, and it only took 1 school year. She needed to retire some years ago, and it time before the whole has to be closed, due to lack of teachers who will work for her.

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Posted by ( reptaddict ) on 11/07/2008 at 02:45 pm.

School grades can be extremely misleading. School grades are generally a good indicator of the socio-economic status of the students but not necessarily a good indicator of the level of dedication of the faculty and staff. Sometimes, all that glitters is not gold. Sometimes, what is not gold glitters anyway.

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Posted by ( ernstruntz ) on 11/07/2008 at 04:07 pm.

DoodleBug You don't know diddly. When you don't know about something it is better to keep your mouth shut than to show your ignorance.Schools need parental and community involvement. That is to whom the school belongs and serves. Smart principals will put these resources to work helping the school be more successful and giving feedback to school leaders so problems can be prevented. And nobody wins when good teachers leave. Sounds like the principal's ego is larger than her leadership skills.



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First and foremost - we should all respect this one:

Posted by ( Momto3 ) on 11/07/2008 at 08:54 am.

I don't know about you, but my parents taught me that if I "don't know diddly" about something I should keep quiet.Contrary to your belief, this is a group of involved, motivated, reasonable, and courageous parents who are concerned about the fast-declining culture of a school was once a shining star of the community. They have a right to advocate for their children's safety and education.The parents of Alafia have been patiently waiting for a resolution to this situation for some time. I am sure that everyone in the community is well aware of the kind of people that would be posting vitriolic comments like these in the middle of the night.ANYONE could have maintained an A rating at a "slide and glide" school like Alafia for a few years. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is any way to prevent the children that are just now entering into the system from suffering the consequences of an unreasonable, unfettered administration.


It does say "public" in Hillsborough County Public Schools.

This is an important sentence: "they have a right to advocate for their children's safety and education."

The important part is how do "the professionals of public education" address this sentence?

As an outsider looking in, it would seem that this campus would have been crawling with outside supports. There would be so many behavior specialists, counselors, social workers, psychologists and liason workers that the parking lot would have been completely filled so the trash talking parents wouldn't even have a place to park and they could be arrested for illegal parking.

Ah, but there is the "other side" that says it is the parents (public) to blame. So when it is the public that is the problem, does the District only send in resources that are routed in "Authority". If it was simply the public to blame, if the District sent in behavior specialists, counselors, social workers, psychologists and liason workers, would the outcome be any differnt?

Alafia Elementary Staff To Get Report On Principal

Alafia Elementary Staff To Get Report On Principal


First things first -- keeping with my long held hypothsis, which I have stated in many different venues since 1997, public exposure is the Achilles heel of the public school education system.

Check out the links on the above link.


I can almost relate to Chris Matthew's "tingle up the leg" when I read this article.

Who is D'Ann Lawrence White?


I am always intrigued when an article about the HCPS is written by someone other than Marilyn Brown. I always wonder if the Tribune keeps Marilyn Brown away from the rough edges of the HCPS, since Marilyn is the one that meets the system face-to-face at board meetings and other "normal-functions".

I am thankful that the Tribune is apparently serving the public about the public education system. If the Tribune can get inside the circled wagons, the public is better served.

I previously made a prediction on this outcome over on my other blog - I wonder if I will be right.

Friday, October 17, 2008

Alafia Elementary and The Clinton Defense

Wasn't it Bill Clinton who said that oral sex isn't sex? Maybe Monica didn't inhale either, just as Bill didn't back in the day of his almost encounter with smoking a joint. I know an old couple who called each other once a week, said the word "sex" to each other and then would hang up. They had heard of phone sex and thought they should try it out.

Enough of that sex talk. A parent wrote a letter to the St. Pete Times.

School official's reaction upsets - St. Petersburg Times

"In print: Friday, October 17, 2008

Parents take beef with principal to the board Oct. 10

School official's reaction upsets

I was very intrigued by your story on Alafia Elementary School principal Ellyn Smith. Our family experienced similar issues with Mrs. Smith when our daughter attended Alafia two years ago.

We had an issue with a little boy speaking very inappropriately to our daughter. She was in third grade, and this little boy was telling her that she enjoyed doing very vulgar things with her mouth....."



According to the letter, when the parents finally moved up the chain of command to the Principal, this was the Principal's response:

She actually said, and I quote, "Mrs. Daniels, you cannot throw your morals around on everyone else."


The parent goes on to make the point about sexual harassment not being about morals.

Sounds like an interesting way to defend a behavior. Is this to say that throwing spitballs in class can be dealt with, but acts that challenge a moral tenet can't be addressed?

One must wonder what would happen to the little boy if he just told his teacher or the principal to "suck it".

Thursday, October 9, 2008

Could This Become A "Mess Up and Move Up" Action or "Put The Parents in Their Place" Mission

Yesterday, I used the Tampa Tribune article along with the public comments that were available yesterday to make a few points about the situation at Alafia Elementary. Find all the links here: Public Education - Politics, Business and Education: Ellyn Smith, Ashley Smith, and a "Miffed Elia" - Relationships are Important

Since yesterday, there have been several more public comments.

Here are a few that suggest that this situation comes from the top. My own humble opinion is either this principal is being protected by the higher ups or she was sent to the school to disenfranchise the parents. My guess is as good as anyone's.



Posted by ( RalphM ) on 10/08/2008 at 10:54 pm.
Take note that Smith was "appointed" by the Board shortly before Lennard's departure. There were a number of likely candidates that were under consideration, but all of the sudden Smith is appointed and those in the queue swept aside.As for the area director, she had no say in this decision, and has been essentially powerless to do anything. If she kept any sort of record of the complaints and calls regarding Smith I'm willing to bet there wasn't a day that went by without one. That being said, she probably feared some sort of retribution from downtown as well should she try and escalate things.I find it ironic that Otero and others were already aware of problems - of course they were - mainly due to the substantial number of complaints that *had* to be making their way downtown. They just chose to ignore them, for reasons we may never know.As for the media, I personally knew of a number of parents who contacted local media outlets, both newspaper and TV, only to be blown off.Someone downtown is covering up for her, I suspect, but the overwhelming crush of complaints has probably gotten to the point where they know they can't be ignored. Maybe it has something to do with her husband's departure from the district?It's about time. It's only taken 4 years, and that's no fault of the parents - they have been trying to get this resolved since almost day 1.

Posted by ( Ateacher ) on 10/08/2008 at 11:35 pm.
I am a teacher who was under ES at a different school. Because I disagreed with her on some personnel and educational issues, I became the vindictive target of ES. She actually told her AP's to "get the goods" on me (they have told me in these very words!). They all told her -as did the people she sent from "downtown" - that I was doing everything that was expected of a good teacher. She made every effort she could to get me to leave and to fire me. Eventually, she knew she was not going to be able to remove me, nor would I transfer to make her happy. Because my students consistently scored above the county and school average, she was unsuccessful. I could write a book on the cruel, uncaring and unprofessional comments and actions committed by ES. It was common knowledge (although, in all fairness, never substantiated) that she was made a principal in order to get her "out" of the downtown administrative position she held. Her professional and personal life was making it uncomfortable for those downtown.Despite her hate for me, I will give her credit for being very intelligent and being a quick study. However, there are personality flaws and social disabilities, which make her unfit to be a principal. The people downtown have known of this for YEARS. I believe they think it is too much trouble to remove an ineffective, misanthropic principal than to step up to the plate and do what is best for the teachers and students.


Posted by ( ConcernedTaxpayer ) on 10/09/2008 at 05:26 am.
Even with all this, are you still only looking at the tip of the iceberg? If the Sikes, Otero and Elia have known of problems all along, why would they suddenly be capable of dealing with them now? Where would you go for help if they are incapable of dealing with some serious issues, the legislature or the governor? Where is the accountability to the families who pay taxes and thereby pay their salaries?


Posted by ( lwb250 ) on 10/09/2008 at 08:26 am.
Concerned Taxpayer:You have to understand the way the District works - Mrs. Sikes is a wonderful, caring area director, who (I believe) was (and is) genuinely concerned about the goings on at Alafia. However, from what I could see, there were things going on above her in the administration that more or less prevented her from doing anything about the situation.Someone is protecting Smith at the Board or higher levels of the administration, and if you rock that boat, you're going to pay.I think it is clear to most citizens who have observed the workings of the school board that those who challenge authority are either forced out or pigeonholed in a job that is either unpleasant or unlikely to allow for future progression professionally. Those who find favor with the upper echelon progress rapidly, or are "awarded" jobs of little substance with ridiculous compensation.The faculty was devastated by this woman, and what was once a true "A" school in every respect has been reduced to a group of dedicated professionals who have to divide their efforts between educating our children and preserving their jobs for fear of retribution. Alafia was a community at one time, now it's a fractured bunch of individuals who are mainly concerned with self preservation (and I don't say that in a way to be critical of the faculty - they are all caring professionals, who unfortunately are under siege.)Hopefully (although I doubt it will happen) the Board will act swiftly and remove her so that Alafia can regain it's former place as a true "A" school.

Posted by ( ConcernedTaxpayer ) on 10/09/2008 at 08:57 am.
lwb250You may know Mrs. Sikes, I personnally have never met her, but have followed the goings on at the school very closely. Do you know who recently made the comment, "My job is to look out for the principal." What happened to: Let's look out for the welfare of the school, the neighborhood, the school system, the children, the parents or the teachers? I am not in position to question those in authority, or the decisions they have made, but I strongly encourage those who are to take a long hard look at this whole fiasco, and to make the facts known to all, and bring the school, teachers, and students back to where it once was. Why should students, parents and teachers have to leave in fear of the school administration or the school board. A problem like this should never have occurred, but it did. Now someone needs to address it. Let's do what the system usually does, keep the problem, just transfer it to someone else. Those who have allowed this situation to go on and on and on should be held just as accountable as those who may be the problem. I am not trying to throw stones at anyone, I just want a very serious situation corrected before too many others are harmed.